Not only did Virgil add ANOTHER great comment to my response, Jeff De Cagna has also joined in the discussion, responding to Virgil’s comment about “ungovernance.” There’s a lot to talk about among all these posts and comments, so please read them and chime in, dear readers.

Let me try to summarize a bit. In my post about vanilla leadership competencies, I echoed a point from an HBR article that says we focus too much on developing individual leaders and not enough on develop system-wide leadership. Virgil’s response had several points: (1) we need to develop individual leaders earlier on in their engagement; (2) we need to prepare them to lead via groups and committees, rather than as powerful individuals; and (3) the governance structure IS leadership because that’s where decision making and fiduciary responsibility lie.

I responded in the next post about the group/individual piece, pushing back a bit, suggesting that even individualistic types had to work in groups to get to the top of their industry. Virgil’s second comment points out that certain industries are known for more individualistic control than others. Point taken, although I personally think the trend overall is moving away from this. The book, X-Teams, that I am reading right now, has some interesting things to say about that, by the way. Honestly, Virgil, I don’t hold up your examples—academia and government—as “best practices” for leadership and management. But Virgil also provides a list of different “types” of volunteer leaders and what motivates them. I’d be curious to hear other’s reactions to that.

And Jeff’s post respond’s to Virgil’s post about governance (and ungovernance). I, too, would push back on the specific phrase Virgil used: “governance is just another term for leadership.” I agree that governance is about decision making, and that leadership involves decision making, but leadership is much more than that. I agree, Virgil, as Jeff did, that you have to have a system at the top for decision making and responsibility, but I think we are fooling ourselves into believing that all the decisions and responsibility lie there. Or even most of them. One of my takeaways from Jeff’s ungovernance session in Chicago was that traditional governance systems fail us because they are based on assumptions about power and control that are no longer valid (that is, they place those things too much at the top). There is definitely power and control at the top, just not as much as we think. My understanding of the “ungovernance” concept is that we need to create a governance system that is more in line with the way the world works. The problem is the term “governance” has a built-in bias towards control and exercise of power, so we need a new term. We just don’t have one yet. Language really does matter.

Jamie Notter